Against my rational instincts, I believe that we have here a genuine case of a born-again democrat, he said. I wanted to earn some money first, quite frankly. Wole Soyinka: I was born in Abeokuta, Western Nigeria. I assure you it was not the Nobel thing. Soyinka has been married three times and divorced twice. He has children from his three marriages. His first marriage was in 1958 to the late British writer, Barbara Dixon, whom he met at the University of Leeds in the 1950s. I was going to try to see things through his eyes, what that period meant for him, and also aspects of me there. One of them was a governor of one of these regions. In other words, despite the discipline, one was able to go out on ones own and discover things for oneself. In an ominous sign, Soyinkas prison memoir,A Man Died, was banned from publication. His writings, including his 1964 novel,The Interpreters, were bringing him fame outside his own country, but he faced increasing difficulties with censorship inside Nigeria. So he used to come to visit me at the police station where I was held and wed read his poetry together. When the Alake levied oppressive taxes against the shopkeepers, Mrs. Ransome-Kuti, Mrs. Soyinka, and their followers refused to pay, and the Alake was forced to abdicate. There was a triumphalist atmosphere on the Federal side which I found very grating, so I quietly made up my mind that I would go into self-exile at the first opportunity. Now, I had to fight that as a child. I was shocked. And so I got that frustration from the two sides. Its one of the most horrible things that can happen to anybody in prison, that you feel, What else? And so with some assistance, some of my usual collaborators, I managed to stop the broadcast, substitute my I pre-recorded my own statement. Did you hear of his death while you were in prison? For me, going to Government College was freedom! And so what they did was just start altering the results. Wole Soyinka: I dont know that I am conscious of that kind of purpose when I write generally. Once that was done, I threw my books all my mathematics books out of the window. I follow all launches everywhere. We had other writers like Gabriel Okara in the East, and I felt maybe by linking up and resurrecting that tight community we might be able to do something to prevent that war, and so I traveled. How many months were you in prison? You have to stay behind. It was infuriating! So finally I gave up, made my coffee, offered this man some. When I realized that war really was going to happen, I tried to and he (Christopher Okigbo) had left, like the other Igbo that fled to the East, where they were more secure. His extensive insights and contributions to political matters in his home country, Nigeria has garnered him So in addition to, let us say, the market levy, which is traditional markets had to be kept tidy, you know, facilities have to be made. Hed agreed he would give me his papers, which hed saved, and so on. Books and all forms of writing are terror to those who wish to suppress the truth. When the British left Nigeria in 1960, they falsified the national census, tipping electoral power to communities that were less progressive. They were satisfied with seeing their sister happy. For instance, he would graft some kind of rose bush onto another. Hoping to avoid further bloodshed, Soyinka traveled in secret to meet with the secessionist General Ojukwu and urged a peaceful resolution. I learned very early of traditional deities (of the) Yorb: Ogun, for instance, God of Iron, the Road, Poetry, et cetera; Shango, God of Lightning. I was a member of the church choir quite early, because I liked music, and in any case, as a son of the headmaster who was also a deacon. Can you tell me about your earliest memory of school? So that became a second home to me as I grew older. In what way did you receive news about World War II? They used to talk about the war. Exchange of ideas between adults just used to fascinate me for some reason. Those services, external services, are quite sufficient to enable those whose principal concern it is the dissidents within the country themselves to take action necessary to relieve themselves of oppression. So you had an extensive variety of books available to you? What do you want exactly? He said, But why didnt you tell me? I said, But you didnt ask me, as you recall, if it was announced, you were busy, all over the place. Thats how I heard about it. Leave me alone. He said, No, no, no. Let me sleep. And then a journalist came. Usually, in our society, children are supposed to be neither seen nor heard. Maybe people think a prize like that should count, but no, not at all. He has won international acclaim for his verse, as well as for novels such as The Interpreters. In hindsight I think really I was a precocious reader. Im going to sleep. Your mother was part of organizing womens groups, who gathered for self-improvement. He dropped out of the program during the Suez Crisis, when it appeared that students might be called up to serve in Egypt. Didnt even attempt to reach the outside world. Eventually, in 1960, independence began. Wole Soyinka: First of all, I was held in a maximum security prison in Lagos. But it made no difference. I was charged with armed robbery, because apparently this event was supposed to have taken place with the aid of a gun, and so very cunning people, coming to frame a charge of armed robbery, for a tape! Under a dictatorship, a nation ceases to exist. It was here he met his first wife, Barbara. Finally this movement of the women, self-improvement movement, spear-headed by my aunt, Mrs. Ransome-Kuti, decided to take on both the district officers and the traditional king. He was quite fond of me and he loved arguing, so he loved me, a kindred spirit. Wole Soyinka: Well, I was already co-opted. She added that fascist is a very strong word that can be used for the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) but not for Datti and the Obidients. Youve made a distinction between your first arrest, in the mid-60s, and your second arrest. He oversaw stage and film productions of his play Kongis Harvest and wrote one of his most compelling satirical plays, Madmen and Specialists. I was thrilled to bits, of course, when she got the Nobel Prize. Ive just flown across the Atlantic. I went straight to see my uncle in Lagos. Where were you born? What led you to write your memoir, Ak: The Years of Childhood? At the turn of the decade, Wole Soyinkas creativity was expanding in all directions. Extrajudicial killings, repression, misuse of state power, of the army. And so, when the next elections were approaching, they decided to uproot some kind of colonial law which arguably gave the right for official presence on the road to the Ministry of Roads and Works, or Transportation. She would however go on to marry her love and they have been together ever since. I was not actually formally detained. As a faculty member at the University of Ife, he led a campaign for road safety, organizing a civilian traffic authority to reduce the shocking rate of traffic fatalities on the public highways. What impact do you think President Barack Obamas election has had on world views of the U.S.? I said, You, too? He said, No, no, this is it. This is interesting. I registered for Officer Training Corps at Leeds University, because a group of us felt that this was our mission, to liberate southern Africa. And then there were the traditional religionists, as I said. I just read. So things like that, the isolation of a nation which refuses to treat its people like equal citizens, which constantly deprives them of their voices, which brutalizes them in many ways. Very soon, on July 11th, Im going to have the zero-G experience. I arrived, and the rumors had gotten very, very strong. I read the newspaper, The Egbaland Echo. That is easily answered. What advice or encouragement would you give to your grandchildren? In 1986, the playwright and political activist became the first African to receive the Nobel Prize for Literature. So all this came about because of this politicization and the habit I had developed of examining issues very carefully. And also, open their doors, as for instance, a number did during the struggle against Sani Abacha, the most brutal dictator Nigeria has ever known. Wole Soyinka: Yes, yes. You experienced also the racial discrimination, which was still very strong at the time, even though the British are very hypocritical about it. Opera News does not consent to nor does it condone the posting of any content that violates the rights (including the copyrights) of any third party, nor content that may malign, inter alia, any religion, ethnic group, organization, gender, company, or individual. Nigerians do not miss the significance of that gesture. The third marriage was in 1989, to Folake Doherty. You know, anything to keep the mind alive. After a number of years in Europe, Soyinka settled for a time in Accra, Ghana, where he edited the literary journal Transition. I wanted to work first, before going to college, and I worked in the Medical Stores for a year-and-a-half before going to college. When I went to Abeokuta grammar school, I didnt come so much under the influence of my uncle, that was more a personal one. What was the impetus for writing those? You returned to Nigeria after President Gowon was deposed in 1975. READ ALSO: Do Actor Chinedu Ikedieze and wife have a baby? I found the Bible a wonderful piece of literature. Everybody worried that it could not be serious for him while the young Folake was in love. Biography and associated logos are trademarks of A+E Networksprotected in the US and other countries around the globe. And then one day, everything came back, and I began writing Ak: the Years of Childhood. His second marriage was in 1963 to Nigerian librarian Olaide Idowu, with whom he had three daughters Moremi, Iyetade (deceased), Peyibomi and a second son, Ilemakin. Soyinka married Folake Doherty in 1989. And Gowon, I discovered, did not know anything about it. Wole Soyinka: Oh, I just picked out books. He looked at it and put it beside him. An effort would be made to draw that child out of that childs habit of solitude, isolation. Frustration from a diminishing of that continental vision, because I saw Africa as one entity, and then a frustration about not being able to right the anomalies within my own society. It was more than one massacre, it was like a wave of massacres. Wole Soyinka: No. Her parents were first opposed to the move as the professor had already made his interest clear by then, but her siblings were said to support her anyways. One of the things you did, not long after that first return, was to pose for a public service announcement with a 38-year-old mother of four who had HIV-AIDS. But a bit of everything. So a more openness towards the genuine dissidents in other countries. Did you like school? I was just another sort of clerical assistant in that store, and then something happened to the head of the store, whether he was transferred or he left to go to study in England. He continued his autobiography with Isara: A Voyage Around Essay, centering on his memories of his father S.A. Essay Soyinka, and Ibadan, The Penkelemes Years. BREAKING: All INEC national commissioners in closed-door meeting over Adamawa poll, BREAKING: INEC asks IGP to Investigate, Prosecute Adamawa REC, Sends Message to SGF, Jamie Foxx remains admitted to hospital week after suffering medical complication, "Who dey sidon for front?" Always dressed up in ties, jackets and so on. You wrote about your prison experience in a memoir, The Man Died. And of course my mother was a very passionate Christian, used to go out evangelizing. And in this case I sat for Government College, Ibadan and got a scholarship. I knew sooner or later we were going to meet. I wanted to make sure that when they went over to the East, they didnt go mouthing pious, meaningless sentiment. There was sort of physical, geographical mobility among many employees of the time. And that man, he would go twiddle the knob. Captured by Nigerian federal troops, he was imprisoned for the rest of the war. But with the balance in favor of the social child. Wole Soyinka: Youre welcome. You smuggled a letter out of prison in 1967. It wasnt that huge. Infusing the myth of As Wole Soyinka suggests, the climate of fear that has enveloped the world was sparked long before September 11, 2001. In any case, I felt I was ready now. Werent you recruited at an early age to assist, teaching some of these peasant women to read? He went so far as to enlist in the British program of student military education, in hopes that he could use this training in a future campaign against the apartheid regime in South Africa. I have a feeling that hes going to be very even-handed. And thats what the British did. So getting them back together took a while, and I could not find the documents. Youre now fending for yourself, something Id wanted from childhood anyway. In 1963, he got married for the second time, to a Nigerian woman Olaide Idowu. So I did teach some of the women to read. Just to make those who were anxious on the outside know that I was okay. So I spent most of my time just watching rehearsals, reading plays in London instead of doing my thesis in Leeds. And at the end of the program, he said, But they havent announced it! And of course Id heard. Its a phenomenon, the connection between all of these. Since General Abachas death, youve returned to Nigeria several times. He went back to the front. I would love to be a musician, just to spend more time with music, and so on. To dominate others seems to be kind of an animal part of the human make-up which we havent quite evolved out of. Even though I managed to struggle through, it was a struggle in school. But generally a theme preoccupies me and I write a play around it. University life had always fascinated me. Im convinced of that. I enjoyed those seasons, anything to do with festivals was okay by me. First of all, I listened to discussions over the phone between my auntie, Mrs. Ransome-Kuti, and the district officer, the white, European district officer. Maybe it was Mr. Olagbaju. I think it was over the radio I first heard the voice of Winston Churchill. I developed my early love of nature both from his cultivation and from the fact that we lived in the midst of nature, natural surroundings. So you had to manage to manipulate your way through that. And then, after they had seceded, which I considered, by the way, a tactical mistake not a political crime, not a moral crime, no, no, no, no, no. Wole Soyinka: I would say it was that first teacher I had who admitted me into school, in quite an unorthodox manner, Mr. Olagbaju. Hed reached out in every corner of the country. My father was ready to pay, but I knew how much he was earning, and there were other children and so on. And then when I left Government College, I went to work in Lagos. Wole Soyinka: In San Jos, California. Wole Soyinka: When I encounter that kind of question, I take refuge in the expression of Tierno Bokar, a philosopher from Mali, who was known as the sage of Bandiagara. I felt that Id be more secure in myself if I had some pocket money. What do you know about Wole Soyinka wife? He was a founding member of the Mbari writers and artists club. It was inevitable that I should dedicate it to him. They should understand that they were going to visit a wronged people, and that they should take the kind of message there that would make them come back. Im tired. Oh, he said, but arent you going to wait and hear the news? I said, What news? He said, Well, its going to be announced by such-and-such a time. I said, Fine, Im going to sleep. But the phone didnt allow me to sleep. At the end of your primary school, you sat examinations to certain schools where scholarships were available. In fact, I should have gone earlier, straight from school if my father had his way. I was actually in the air, flying. A precocious and inquisitive child, Wole prompted the adults in his life to warn one another: He will kill you with his questions.. But after I got to Kaduna, I stayed completely quiet for some time. And so that led to some fracas. Then some years passed. His column in the magazine became a forum for his continued commentary on African politics, in particular for his denunciation of dictatorships such as that of Idi Amin in Uganda. His prison memoir, The Man Died, was published in 1972, followed by a novel, The Season of Anomy. I was acutely aware of what was happening in South Africa, the hardening of the South African apartheid system. So if anything, in fact, we were treated even more harshly than the other children because we were supposed to know better and to show an example. Until the focus was beamed on the ultimate traditional authority, the Alake of Abeokuta, the king, and his council of elders. Akinwande Oluwole Babatunde Soyinka, known as Wole Soyinka, is a Nigerian playwright, essayist, poet, teacher, and political activist. By then the firing had started, the early skirmishes had begun. He moved quickly from St. Peters Primary School to the Abeokuta Grammar School and won a scholarship to the colonys premier secondary school, the Government College in Ibadan. In your writing, do you see it as your purpose to raise social consciousness? What are they speaking in my name? Readingnot to be accusing me, I mean, thats okay but actually saying, I have here his confessional statement, and every bit of it except the trip to Biafra a complete fabrication. Wole Soyinka is a Nigerian playwright, poet, author, teacher and political activist. Youve apologized to people already. Can you talk about the early years of independence and writing the play A Dance of the Forest? Where did the title come from? Speaking on Arise Television, author Chimamanda Adichie made it clear that she admires Wole Soyinka but she does not agree with his recent statement. What is going to come next? The first thing is, On the road, everybody has got to be equal. Which meant that the Road Safety Corps would stop these vehicles, because they never even behaved all they had to do was behave themselves on the road and get their, you know, criminal material from A to B. You were still able to play a constructive role. I found I needed a smaller, tighter group, which could take a theme, current theme, improvise around it, and perform in the marketplace, on the lawns, in front of civil service headquarters, outside the House of Assembly any open space as well as in the theater hitting directly at unacceptable conduct, events with recognizable mimicking, acting recognizable individuals, pillorying power, government, and so on. Soyinka was accused of collaborating with the Biafrans and went into hiding. What do you think will be one of the big achievements in the next quarter century? Wole Soyinka: We always came home on holidays when I was in Government College, Ibadan. Have a fantastic time! I took a photograph, I remember, in my apron, telephone on the one side. If you were a teacher, also, with some missionary schools, you could be transferred. So corruption, yes, was involved, but it wasnt really the central issue in those early days. .css-m6thd4{-webkit-text-decoration:none;text-decoration:none;display:block;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;font-family:Gilroy,Helvetica,Arial,Sans-serif;font-size:1.125rem;line-height:1.2;font-weight:bold;color:#323232;text-transform:capitalize;}@media (any-hover: hover){.css-m6thd4:hover{color:link-hover;}}Meet Stand-Up Comedy Pioneer Charles Farrar Browne, Biography: You Need to Know: Agness Underwood. At least three times a year: the Christmas holiday, the long break, and sometimes some holidays in between, special holidays, a long weekend. Despite troubles at home, Soyinkas reputation in the outside world had never been greater. The man dies in all who keep silent in the face of tyranny. So I abandoned that project, and then one day, in prison, again, this need to recollect and to set down came back to me. Now this got derailed when we then encountered the first flag-bearers of our national independence. People never resented all of that. You have your own community. So they could afford to make this magnanimous gesture of releasing me. Wole Soyinka continues to write and remains an uncompromising critic of corruption and oppression wherever he finds them. In The Swamp Dwellers, for instance, I was trying to capture a sense of community which Id known in Nigeria. Anybody was co-opted who happened along. Death and the Kings Horseman (1975) This is one of his most widely known and loved plays produced in 1975. 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