Unfortunately, the quality of their products leaves much to be desired. Just saying, this argument is fail. Tripling the quarterly profits isnt exactly telling me that they are covering costs and slowly expanding. No one has put more indie model firms out of business than GW. Lets say I want a cheap 1k starting army, but Im a college kid who cant justify the outrageous cost ($250 minimum, plus the hobby equipment and paint for at least $300 min). When Games Workshop uses ONLY domestic materials and employees, thats when Ill stop augmenting my official purchases with personal recasts. I mean even though its hella shady its much easier to just buy a cheaper version of the model even if its a knockoff. As evidenced with comments, for a lot of folk price is the issue and they will choose alternative, albeit poor quality. The price of the cinema these days is ridiculous. Nor is an active and enterprising collaborator of many projects related to our community, contributing with ideas, work on social networks and the Internet. Another person trying to justify theft plain and simple if you dont like the prices dont play the game there are plenty of other great options out there at the moment. Youre obviously not using a good recaster, also you havent mentioned the cheap cost of resin and how much profit is made on resin models. Appealing to modelers if futile in my opinion, there is not enough power in that argument to change buying habits. They tried to grow way too fast and their main game had waaay to many units and thus huge costs to cover it. The elitism of GW is a prime example; They go so far as not allowing official models in their store tourneys, even when a reasonable counts-as. @Greg. why is it that if I spend 70 on a primarch from forgeworld, I have to send at least 3 or 4 of those parts back to be exchanged because of mould slips or just general terrible casting and I will likely have to return one of the replacements they send me too. hell do they even pay their staff a decent wage. We havent got a global Netflix style service with all movies available. P.O. If you dont have the money to afford models, dont buy them. That does not mean I only buy from a recast seller , but expensive and big models worth of the discount . Not me. The models chosen are both from Forgeworld, the Elysian Tauros Venator and the classic Lietpold the Black. There are MANY legitimate streaming options that are legal and same for MP3s. However, by doing so we are ignoring the damage that this does to the industry . The above article is, quite frankly, scaremongering. A check of their website shows that it is indeed down, and from the looks of it not coming back. Bollocks. Youre a thief. You stole it. See our, and recently hired an infringements assistant. This also amounts to stealing somebody elses work. But if they got a fund together and I am sure there are enough lawyers between hobbyists that can support it pro bono. These companies do not pay any IP rights. Only we can act effectively against miniature recasting! Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig Upload. Despite every measure taken, with the evolution of websites and social networks, recasting has become nearly unstoppable. Is it okay to create my own miniatures if they are not a product that Games Workshop creates or has any copyrights on? In addition to this, the flat parts are not flat by any (ANY) means. Quality of some recasters is much higher than Forgeworld. So if people in the third world cant pay western prices having recasts means more of a hobby presence that pushes those who value original source into an ongoing if not growing stream of business. They are very complicated to clean, and with a lot of burrs. GW going out of business would be the best thing in the world for the hobby. to produce a 45 dollar marine squad it cost 5 bucks, sure. FJ was developed by a multicultural team of various beliefs. Recasting is a side effect of greedy companies or individuals that take hobby members for granted. I will always buy the original product when I can, but Im also going to buy high quality recasts for models that I need multiples of. As it goes for GW story is different as plastic is better, quality great and models in box sets are not so expensive. Let us know in the comments of ourFacebook Hobby Group,and make sure youenter the latest monthly giveaway for FREE today! But good way to name and shame yourself, although I doubt there is any shame there. 1. I look forward to you trying that defence in court. Not because GW has a better product, but because GW will sue the crap out of anyone who makes a model that looks similar to a GW model. GWs greed and extortionate prices. Anyone reading this would be excused from thinking that any cheap kits from a country other than china are OK. There are so many classic wfb models Id love to buy, but the second hand market is just crazy since aos happened and some models are just near impossible to find, even if you have the money. I have original models, but only because I discovered only recently about recast and I will definitely go this way. Its very easy to make an illegal copy of a miniature, especially if the country where its made has bad labour policies. The figure in the picture (Nash) Sold 32 uni. Cant have it both ways, either strict on piracy or not. Forge world is horribly over priced and shit quality. Sorry, I do not. This is How to Play The Conquest Nords Army Faction, Final Changes Are Here For 9th Edition 40k: Balance Datasheet, Good Luck Getting The New Lion, Dante or Azrael 40k Models Now. While actual models are 3D printed from a computer file done by a minimun wage payed designer and then casted the most hollow and thin possible to minimize costs and reduce durability. And its not more acceptable if its one of your friends or idols who did it (remember a particular space wolf bust?). I wouldnt take a recast even if someone gives it to me for free. Just out of curiosity, what about recasts of long out of print miniatures, or miniatures from defunct companies? Im having to search now forgeworld has stop so many horus heresy models. Virginia Restless, Miniature Painter & Cat Dad. Things like Kodi make it seem harmless oh you clicked a few buttons and bingo it is there without any effort, so it must be harmless. there was articular about how GW buys there cast from Chinese companys and they over order and then decide not to pay for amount they decide they no longer need. There was a study by the EU relating to video games that piracy helped games sell better. Your supporting a criminal enterprise plain and simple which is slowly killing the hobby will these re casters spend time and money designing rule books and fluff? a 6th edition metal dwarf throne of powers market price on ebay is now around 160, thats way beyond the reach of most hobbyists, definitely out of the reach of kids. Shall I summon the serf dedicated to worshiping the shavings from your glorious toenails, milord? The manufacturer isnt benefiting from this situation either. We see three key points to avoid these false copies: And if after reading this article you want to do something positive about this, its quite easy actually. They stole the right to complain about re-castes when they demand unreasonable prices, and thus stealing the joy of the hobby. You aren't allowed to use recasts in a GW store, for one (though depending on the quality, people might not notice). The current situation especially benefits those people who kept their stuff in boxes rather than paint/assemble/game with them, essentially those who buy the product but dont take part in the hobby. We are saying to watch out for recasts of other artists personal work. The recasts I buy are better quality and for what I would 80 quid for from forge world I can buy from China for 20 dollars including delivery. Theyre decent sculpts, decent quality minis. And when issues of copyright are at stake, it fascinates me how Nuts planets are ripping off HBO with game of thrones piracy, yet they are the most in vogue celebrated manufacturer. Rules Recaster Z is the lowest cost and - #171951649 added by manollette at Desu Korps of Kreig 21 2019 Games Workshop Warhammer 40k Ork Boyz $40 A recasting catalog 2/2/18 A recasting catalog 2/2/18. Its all for love. It's not illegal to buy them, though, just to . Save Money On All These Alternative Miniatures. After all, they also pay the same fees and have lots of competition. Man, either you are some kid, troll or just an idiot with no capacity to think logically. And I firmly put the blame into the hands of piracy aka stealing. From the beginning thought of a new model in their head to putting it on paper, and into real life. I hope the author never watches streaming movies or mp3s. We just make claims. Seriously, those copies are better quality than originals looking only on those pictures. But in the past 2 years their stock has sky rocketed. Hell, 5 years ago they were barely with 10 dollars a share. Lately all brands have seen how our creations are being reproduced illegally and without any scruples in a massive way. If we demand fairer prices and go outside their control, it is because they are not catering to the majority of their customers. I blame LEGOs. GW greed and agressive copyright protection has no sympathy in my hart, not to mention rule changing every year and leaving youngsters out of hobby due to pricing. Copies from recasters, most of the time from China, are at first glance an option to acquire otherwise expensive miniatures at affordable prices. So recast companies will push this margin further and further. Its partly to do with inflation, but mostly due to the declining numbers of people going. is it going to cause the game to completely vanish if the company were to shut down ? Although you will see the very evident differences, during this comparison you will find the original piece on the left pictures and the recast to the right. Youll argue but I havent taken anything and the owner of the IP still has their product. But heres the kicker. This sort of effect makes even more sense in model games, particularly WH. Recasting isnt a side effect of greedy companies, I have known some companies unable to meet rent and worse still some have gone out of business. Judge yourselves. Believe it or not, this industry grows out of passion and love, the same we pour on every project on our workbench. during the month, more than 5 times the quantity that me (the creator, designer and fighter) sold the same month. u go to china to get the product made why do you deserve protection from western copy right laws ? Back in 2018, we saw a similar scene as well: So it appears after raising their prices on Forge World overnight by 20%, or more in some cases, Games Workshop may have started to go after Warhammer recaster companies located in China directly this holiday season. Just saying individuals like that who do that have no moral compass. For the good health of our hobby. This is no reason to price them with a disparity of 15-20 thats just a poor outlook. Their pricing model hurts the growth of the hobby, it doesnt promote it. Games workshop not only wants lots of money for its live figures (5 euros for guardsman from krieg !, more than for metal ones!). If that was to happen then there is a chance of changing something. But theyre not paying hundreds of thousands of pounds for a plastic mould. There was a demand so the pirates appeared they sell cheaper and often better quality. Another army made unplayable. You stole the rights to that model. You can call people that buy recasts thieves I hope you enjoy your elitist hobby with the few people that can afford to play it. I think theres one thing that need to be said here regardless of ip. Also, these fake copies come without any instructions (as opposed to, of course, the original Forgeworld copy). Their miniatures are good-quality. Spain (for example) has been famous for doing this for a while. . western companies sell out their own customers and citizens with foreign labor then cry about IP, its a joke. Without remorse, there was a supplier that recasted the catalog of Games Workshop and Forgeworld reselling it at a ridiculous price. For legit business there is high quality resin, concept art, sculpting fees, box art, advertising and labour, please dont minimise this with a flipant statement. These artists work hard. I totally understand the problem with stolen IP and that the problem must be addressed, but I would also say that in regards to out of production miniatures that in economic terms GW are not providing what the market wants, so the market is finding alternative ways to provide it, unfortunately these arent legal, but on the other hand this is an avoidable situation for GW. This would be paradoxal. Age of Sigmar is more popular than WFB was. See yourself for historical games, for the Warlord Games company. I get that its not just the model, the companies have huge overheads prior to selling a model. After that no surprise if some brands get copied in the first place, that kind of behavior and answer has no place in a world where international trades are a thing. You have entered an incorrect email address! This had to be done because it was nearly impossible to identify many of the pieces that came attached to large blobs of resin. Their heart is closer to their craft, and I could not justify owning their product while paying someone else for it. The above is, again, scare-mongering. Tbh I wish there was a quality metal recaster of late 90s early 2000s WFB, or that gw would just sell the moulds/ip so I could get the models I want. It's generally frowned upon. 33% of the original, and with a positive experience in my pocket Im more likely to stick into the hobby, which means more long term profits. The resin used is crap, brittle, with a lot of detail being lost and probably it is even toxic. This also isnt the first time Games Workshop has gone after recasters in China or otherwise, and recently hired an infringements assistant or, in military terms, a targeter to help with the task: Would you like to assist in protecting Games Workshop from risk through removing infringing and counterfeit products, ensuring that our customers can continue to enjoy our products for years to come? Also several Rackham miniatures. They were available on the ebay site of the Chinese network named Taobao. There are precedents in Russia where local manufacturers took re casters to court and won damages, so it isnt an issue of legal vacuum in those countries, its inability or non willingness to pursue action. What a bad argument. Seriously, if you received the package and looked at it carefully, you would understand what we are talking about. Recasts and piracy, in general, is suddenly on the rise across the hobby as a whole, as other manufacturers and independent artists are also starting to take a hit. Finecast is so good, I really dont understand recast buyers ! The 9th Edition of 40k is going to be open and crowd sourced by the players, for the players, for the betterment of the game instead of lining GWs pockets. Umm. 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